The Enneagram Journey

TEJ Live at 7 & 1 Books with Jen Rogers (8) - Objective Perspective, Dragon Slaying, Escape Plans

Live shows in bookstores...we wish every episode could be recorded this way!
Today's episode is almost like 3 episodes rolled into one. We get to meet Arlene Kasselman (enneagram 7), founder of 7&1 Books. Then we get to hear from Jen Rogers (enneagram 8) and learn from her experiences in life, and then chase all of that with some Q&A with the audience.
Find 7&1 books and learn more about them by visiting sevenandonebooks.com
 
“If you haven’t done enneagram work, it’s hard to see value in people that see the world different than you do.” - Jen Rogers
 
PLUG TIME
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
Spirituality and the Enneagram
ICU Talks in Charlotte, NC
September 5-6, 2025
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/charlotte
Book Release Party for Letting Go, Finding You
The Micah Center in Dallas, TX
August 29, 2025
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/store/p/bookparty
 
TODAY's INTRO
40 Year Old Virgin (2005, Universal Pictures)
Black Books (s1, e1: Channel 4)
Pierre Novellie (Chris Ramsey's Stand Up Central)
The Dragon Slayer Archetype (Europos)
 

Jen Hanson (2) - Boundaries, False Self-esteem, Forgive Yourself

Let's do some math.
2 + 2 - 7 = a great episode of The Enneagram Journey!
Enneagram 2, Jen Hanson, joins fellow 2, Suzanne Stabile on today's show, but we lost our 7 Joel for this one. Don't like the episode too much, it'll hurt his feelings.
Can you have an enneagram conversation between a couple of Twos without talking about boundaries?
The strengths of being a Two and working with children and youth.
Parenting with the struggles of social media.
Should one of Suzanne's spiritual practices be getting massages regularly?!
aaaaaaaand more
"How would we measure our value in relationships if it didn't involve our responding to every Feeling with Doing?" - SS
 
You can find out more about Jen and all of the good going on at Northaven by visiting www.northaven.org
 
PLUG TIME
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
The King Speaker Series
Enneagram Stances
June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas (Registration closes May 30!)
1pres.org/kingspeaker
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
Spirituality and the Enneagram
ICU Talks in Charlotte, NC
September 5-6, 2025
REGISTRATION WILL BE UP SOON!
 
THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM
Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram
 
So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:
lifeinthetrinityministry.com
theenneagramjourney.com
suzannestabile.com
 
TODAY'S INTRO
Between 2 Ferns (2019, Netflix)
Pretty Woman (1990, Touchstone Pictures)
Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius (2001, Paramount)

Russ Hudson (5) - Holy Ideas, Cultural Parameters, What To Hold On To

Russ Hudson is back on the show, and is going to blow your mind!
The show starts with a little catching up, so we get to hear about some of Russ' travels, and we look forward to IEA Experience 2025 that features both Russ and Suzanne!
How has the Enneagram, or our understanding of the enneagram, evolved over the years?
Russ shares their 3 rules he and Don had when writing The Wisdom of The Enneagram
We're not just talking about the 3 Centers of Intelligence today, but also the 3 Body Centers
Holy Ideas, enneagram and creativity, and more
"You can't get to the Holy Ideas if you don't get landed in your body and heart."
- RH
 
To learn more about everything Russ has going on, visit russhudson.com !
 
PLUG TIME
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
The King Speaker Series
Enneagram Stances
June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas
1pres.org/kingspeaker
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
 
THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM
Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram
 
So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:
lifeinthetrinityministry.com
theenneagramjourney.com
suzannestabile.com
 
TODAY'S INTRO
"Yakko's World" (Animaniacs, ep 2 - Warner Bros.)
Jerry Seinfeld while being interviewed on the red carpet by WUSA 9

Tori Hastings (5) - Vulnerability, 2nd Shift, Engaging

Meet Tori Hastings, enneagram 5!
As promised, we are definitely not going to talk about golf, and we are going to talk about somatic therapy, what we do when we get home from our day, what Tori's life looked like over the past 30 years in Alabama, and did Suzanne make a revision to the Centers of Intelligence?
"You don't achieve balance by pushing the top (center of intelligence) down. You achieve balance by pulling the bottom up." - SS
"I don't do much of anything in real time..." - TH
 
PLUG TIME
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
The King Speaker Series
Enneagram Stances
June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas
1pres.org/kingspeaker
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
 
THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM
Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram
 
So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:
lifeinthetrinityministry.com
theenneagramjourney.com
suzannestabile.com
 
TODAY'S INTRO
South Park (Comedy Central: s14, e2)
SNL (NBC: s23, e11)
SNL (NBC: s17, e7)

Katie Whitlock (3) - Deceit, Escaping to the Future, 9fold

Get your pen and paper ready, because this episode is FULL of incredible enneagram teaching from not one BUT TWO! enneagram teachers (and neither are Joel).
Katie Whitlock (3), yes, the daughter of The Enneagram Journey's own Sara Whitlock (2), joins Suzanne in this episode. Seriously, so much good wisdom in this one
Escaping to the future
What do you do when you're restless?
Balance
Doing Enneagram work, but identifying as the wrong number
Do you respond to strangers online?
Some input from Joey Schewee aka @enneagramparents
and more!
"Functional is not good enough. You should want more than functional." - KW
 
PLUG TIME
 
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
The King Speaker Series
Enneagram Stances
June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas
1pres.org/kingspeaker
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
 
THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM
Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram
 
So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:
lifeinthetrinityministry.com
theenneagramjourney.com
suzannestabile.com
 
TODAY'S INTRO
The Departed (2006 Warner Bros.)
Laura Addis on TEJ Podcast
F.R.I.E.N.D.S (NBC, s3 e18)

Darnell (1) & Alex (8) Finale - Cohort, Excess, Indignation

Alex and Darnell are back to share their final thoughts and feelings about their experience in the 2024 Enneagram Cohort with Suzanne!
If this series of conversations with Darnell and Alex has raised your interest in the LTM Cohort program, we hope you will check it out and apply. Applications for the following year's Cohort program are accepted April 1 - September 1. You can get the dates, descriptions, expectations, and application at lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram
 
Other Plugs
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp
"What Is Mine To Do?"
August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online
lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc
The King Speaker Series
Enneagram Stances
June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas
1pres.org/kingspeaker
IEA Global Conference
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025
July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN
ieaexperience.com
 
You can find out what the podcast is up to and other offerings from Life in the Trinity Ministry by visiting lifeinthetrinityministry.com.
 
TODAY'S INTRO
Des Bishop - Mindfulness
F.R.I.E.N.D.S. (NBC, S4 E23)
"Indignant" - The Definition Channel
Darnell Young on TEJ Podcast
 
 
 
 

Sara Whitlock (2) - Saying No, Feeling v Thinking

You've asked for more Enneagram Twos on the show, and here is a great start! Meet Sara Whitlock. Sara is a nurse practitioner from Ohio. Married to JD, an Enneagram 5, she and one of her daughters were both a part of the 2024 Enneagram Cohort with Suzanne (we'll get to hear from her daughter Katie in an upcoming episode!).
PLUG TIME
Great events coming up:
TheoEd Talks Nashville - February 23 in Nashville at Woolworth Theatre or Online
The Enneagram Journey Live - February 25 in Nashville at Beam Gallery
A Contemplative, Healing, Enneagram - February 28 and March 1 in Nashville at Woodmont Christian Church
Relationships and the Enneagram - March 7-8 in South Carolina at Bethel UMC
2025 IEA Global Conference - July 25-25 in Minneapolis
2025 Enneagram Bootcamp - SAVE THE DATE! August 7-9 in Dallas and Online
Today's Intro
The Breakup (2006, Universal Pictures)
Scrubs (S3, E5)
American Dad (S10, E8)
 

Laura Murray (4) - Home, Hospitality, Spiritual Practice

Happy 2025 to everyone on their Enneagram Journey! And even to those who haven't started yet. The first episode of the year is fantastic and features pastor, spiritual director, and author Laura Murray, Enneagram 4.
Laura is married to an Enneagram 5
The difference between Home and where you belong
Some surprising Enneagram Wing discussion with Suzanne
Spiritual Practices
Parenting and more
Below you will find the practice of Examen that Laura shared with us. You can also find a link for it in PDF format at theenneagramjourney.com in her episode. You can find out more about Laura and all the great things she is doing at laurabmurray.com.
In the introduction of this episode, you heard a lot of plugs!
TheoEd Nashville - Sunday, February 23 - theoed.com/nashville
A Contemplative, Healing, Enneagram - February 28, March 1 in Nashville - lifeinthetrinityministry.com/nashville
EnneaSummit 2025 featuring Suzanne and the Reverend - February 4-7 Online - CLICK HERE for information and registration
Relationships and the Enneagram - March 7-8, Charleston, South Carolina - lifeinthetrinityministry.com/charleston
 
Examen: A Spiritual Practice
The spiritual practice of examen is one of invitation. You are opening yourself up to both yourself and God. There is not a grade in examen, nor is there a grade in any other spiritual practice. Various questions can be helpful in the examen practice. Below is one way of practicing examen.
The hopes are awareness and attendingThe practice requires permission and welcome
• The practice begins with permission. In examen, you give God permission to show you parts of yourself that are hidden or harder to see. You also welcome and allow parts of yourself to be seen by God and yourself.
• This is done by reflecting on and responding to a series of questions. As you do this awareness of those parts of you starts to emerge.
• Then, you permit God again to attend to what came up. Your work here is towelcome what you can and allow God to attend to you.
• Repeat daily for 7-10 days, giving yourself time to notice and explore what you see.
Examen Questions:What do I find myself grateful for today?
What am I grieving today?
Where do I sense God’s nearness to my grief?
Where do I sense God’s distance from my grief?
How has God been generous with me lately?
How is God calling me to be generous today?
Prayer:After responding to these questions, allow God to attend to you through yourresponses and what is coming up in you. Tell God thank you after a few minutes or however long you need.
 
visit laurabmurray.com to learn more!
 
TODAY's INTRO
Baby Come Back, Player (RSO, 1977)
John Wick (Summit Entertainment, 2014)
Without Me, Eminem (Shady-Aftermath, 2002)
Home, Edward Sharpe & The Magnetic Zeros (Rough Trade, 2010)
The Sandlot (20th Century Fox, 1993)
 
 

Jonathan Merritt (3) - Navigating Relationships, My Guncle and Me

Your Enneagram Godmother and an Enneagram Guncle got together for this INCREDIBLE conversation!
If you don't know Jonathan yet, Enneagram 3, this is a wonderful introduction.
 
"...othering the other that othered them."
It'll make more sense after you hear him talk about it!
 
Jonathan is a writer on faith and culture, the author of Learning To Speak God From Scratch, Jesus is Better Than You Imagined, My Guncle and Me and a few other great reads. You can find him on Instagram @jonathan_merritt and online at jonathanmerritt.com
 
PLUG TIME!
OOOOOHHHHHH, don't let this event sell out without you being a part of it:
A Contemplative, Healing, Enneagram with Rev. Joseph and Suzanne Stabile, and Hunter Mobley.
February 28 - March 1, 2025 in Nashville, TN
CLICK HERE FOR TICKETS or visit lifeinthetrinityministry.com/nashville
 
Today's INTRO
The Office (S3, E1)
Modern Family (S4, E21)
The Other Guys (Columbia Pictures 2010)
 

Br5aking The Cycle

The Enneagram Godmother + The Great Russ Hudson + The Reverend
Where do we sign up?!?!
Today's podcast episode comes from the LTM teaching event in Dallas, Br5aking The Cycle (don't worry, you'll learn why it is spelled that way and what 5a means).
As you'll hear Joel explain, this 2 hour teaching is only the opening for the rest of the next 10 hours, but it is an entire workshop in itself!
There is nobody Suzanne holds in higher regard when it comes to Enneagram Wisdom than Russ Hudson. The real magic that comes out in this weekend's teaching is that Suzanne, Joe, and Russ are each in different Enneagram Triads: Suzanne, Heart - Russ, Head - Reverend, Gut. And the teaching is on Enneagram Triads, managing your dominant center of intelligence, and how we br5ak this darn cycle!
Wanna send Suzanne a message while she is recovering? CLICK HERE
PLUG TIME
If you want to continue on this journey of Br5aking The Cycle, you can purchase the entire workshop during the month of October and get it at 40% off!! Be prepared though, because it is 12 hours of challenging teaching for us to try and do, think, feel things differently. Click here for the workshop handout and to get the entire 3 days of teaching for 40% off.
 
Thank you for listening to the show and for helping to make the world more compassionate! To learn more about Life in the Trinity Ministry visit lifeinthetrinityministry.com.
Today's Intro:
"The Chain" (Fleetwood Mac, Rumors 1977)
"It's Been a While" (Staind, Breaking The Cycle 2001)
"All We Ever Knew" (The Head and The Heart, Signs of Light 2016)